Origins of the kiss - Many Minds
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- <p class="p1"><span class="s1">Humans do some pretty weird things. Some of us will sit in searingly hot rooms or jump into icy ponds. Others risk their lives trying to climb to new heights or dive to new depths. And every once in a while, two otherwise normal-seeming humans will lean in close to each other, open mouths, lock lips, and swap a hearty helping of microbes. You may even know people who've done this. But why? Are we the only animals who kiss? What could be the deeper origins of this truly bizarre behavior? </span></p> <p class="p1"><span class="s1">My guest today is Dr. <a href= "https://matildabrindle.weebly.com/"><span class="s2">Matilda Brindle</span></a>. Matilda is an Evolutionary Biologist at the University of Oxford. She's interested in understanding the origins of behaviors and traits across the animal kingdom. But it's not just any traits she's interested in—she tends to favor those that are a bit risque.</span></p> <p class="p1"><span class="s1">Here, Matilda and I talk about the puzzle at the heart of human kissing behavior. We discuss the possible adaptive functions of kissing—and of romantic kissing in particular. We walk through her <a href= "https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1090513825001370"> <span class="s2">recent paper</span></a> in which—drawing on observations across primates species—she and her colleagues reconstructed the phylogeny of kissing behavior. They found that kissing is present in almost all the Great Apes—and also in several species of monkeys—and that it may go back around 20 million years. We sketch different proposals for how kissing may have evolved, such as the idea that it originally grew out of "premastication"—the practice of chewing up food for infants and transferring that food by mouth. And, of course, we consider the cultural side of kissing—and how to make sense of the fact that, despite these ancient roots in the primate lineage, romantic kissing is by no means universal to all human groups. </span><span class="s1"> </span></p> <p class="p1"><span class="s1">Hope you enjoy this one, friends—offered in spirit of Valentine's Day, of course. Kissing may seem like a light-hearted or frivolous topic, but—as I hope you'll appreciate—it opens up some big, thorny, compelling questions. And, in fact, it's finally attracting serious attention from scholars of all kinds interested in the different dimensions of social behavior. </span></p> <p class="p1"><span class="s1">Without further ado, here's my interview with Dr. Matilda Brindle.</span></p> <p class="p1"><span class="s1"> </span></p> <p class="p1"><span style= "text-decoration: underline;"><span class="s2"><em>Notes</em></span></span></p> <p class="p1"><span class="s1">3:00 – Dr. Brindle's paper, '<a href="https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1090513825001370"><span class="s2">A comparative approach to the phylogeny of kissing</span></a>,' coauthored with Dr. Catherine Talbot and Dr. Stuart West.</span></p> <p class="p1"><span class="s1">10:00 – An <a href= "https://www.pnas.org/doi/abs/10.1073/pnas.0901217106"><span class= "s2">academic review</span></a> of "postcopulatory sexual selection."</span></p> <p class="p1"><span class="s1">15:45 – The <a href= "https://link.springer.com/article/10.1186/2049-2618-2-41"><span class="s2"> study</span></a> examining the convergence of oral microbiota in kissing couples. The same study quantified the amount of microbial transfer during kissing.</span></p> <p class="p1"><span class="s1">18:00 – For more on the "grass-in-ear" phenomenon among chimpanzees and other such arbitrary-seeming animal behaviors, see our <a href= "https://disi.org/the-value-of-animal-cultures/"><span class= "s2">earlier episode</span></a> about animal cultures. For the more recent "grass-in-bum" phenomenon, see <a href= "https://brill.com/view/journals/beh/162/6-8/article-p459_2.xml"><span class="s2"> here</span></a>.</span></p> <p class="p1"><span class="s1">21:30 – For Dr. Brindle's work on the adaptive functions of masturbation in prim
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- 2026-02-12T00:06:00+00:00
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